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Ajay's avatar

This is a great post - thank you! However, I think there's an important point re: religion and anti-contraception views that you haven't addressed, and I'm curious what you think about it. When people object to, e.g., an argument against contraception as covertly religious, I don't think they just mean that there may be religious premises that aren't being mentioned.

The other thing I think is often meant here arises from two features of arguments made for conclusions that are part of a person's religion. First, it's often the case, if someone is making an argument for a view that's part of their religion, they're not really open to changing their mind even when a very strong argument against their view is presented. This is partly because they might think the view has been taught by an infallible authority, and also partly because religion is often central to a person's identity in a way that makes abandoning a view held on religious grounds very psychologically difficult. Second, the conclusion being argued for (like the immorality of using contraception) is often one that would require the person to whom the argument is being made to drastically change their life.

Putting these two features together, someone who makes an argument for a conclusion they hold on religious grounds is often (1) asking their interlocutors to drastically change their lives while (2) those interlocutors reasonably believe the person is not really open to efforts they might make to persuade him/her to change his/her life. I think the perception of inequality here is a big part of the reason why people distrust religious arguments. (I'm mostly basing this on impressions from public exchanges on this sort of topic I've read or observed and personal experience, but here's a small piece of evidence: https://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2014/05/otagos-gregory-dawes-interviewed.html

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I'm thinking this through as I write this, but it seems to me that this style of argument implies that a great many things (that are not wrong) are wrong.

Take a martial art like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (which I've done for many years).

Physical conflict is morally significant - it can only be done justifiably under certain circumstances, it matters a lot to people when they engage in physical conflict, many strong emotions are involved, non-consensual physical conflict is almost always wrong, and the stakes of physical conflict are often quite high.

In jiu-jitsu, we engage in consensual physical conflict until one person taps out, usually because they are in a choke or a joint lock. Between skilled practitioners this often happens before anyone is being strangled or the joint is in danger - we recognize that we've been 'check mated' and give up.

This seems a lot like your account of contraceptive sex - we are engaging in a facsimile of the real thing (fighting) but have agreements and methods in place to mitigate the consequences (death or injury). And I can't think of any reason why this is bad.

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